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We have recently relocated Tango (#1213) to a new lake and now use a ramp to launch and retrieve (previously had access to a crane lift), and I wanted to reach out to the group on advice regarding trailer setup and potential modifications to help in pulling her out of the water. A picture of our trailer setup is attached for reference.


What is the best way to ensure you have the trailer setup correct?

  1. should the keel rest on the slot on the trailer or should the adjustable bunks carry the load and have the bottom of the keel not touch the trailer?
  2. Should the adjustable "v" bunk hold any weight or is that just to help with positioning the boat relative to the trailer?
  3. Advice on technique to make adjustments to the bunks, can you do this on land or is it trial and error on the ramp?


Trailer modifications for easy ramp use: I'd like to add some guides on the trailer to help align the boat / keel appropriately when pulling the boat out of the water, we did it manually with some trial and error in the fall and looking to improve our setup/system.

  1. Is it worthwhile to design a V or funnel to help guide the boat into position or simply increase the height of the existing keel guide so that it slots into place when the boat is floating higher above the trailer?
  2. What would be the best material to use wood or metal?
  3. Anyone have experience doing something similar or suggestions for drawings etc.?


Thanks in advance for your advice!


Cheers,

John


John,

To answer your questions...

Trailer set up:

1) The keel should rest on a carpeted keel board (2 X 6? , 2 X 8?) that sits inside of, and extends past the metal, horizontal I beam. It's a lot better if the front of the keel strikes something softer than metal when loading or off-loading. Support for an Ensign using a trailer like yours is to have all four pads carry a similar load with the keel also being supported by the keel board. A five point support load is what you're trying to achieve and the keel can carry a bit more of the weight. The pads should be snug but not able to rotate by hand.

2) I do not know to what a v bunk refers. Are you referring to a bow roller at the front?

3) Adjustments to the pads can be done with the boat on the trailer if the jacks are not frozen.

Trailer modifications:

1) Carpeted, vertical guides on either side of the keel board, angled outboard at the rear will make retrieving the boat easier. Having a bow roller at the front will assist greatly in holding the bow at the proper position (fore and aft and athwartship) when retrieving and loading the boat. Make them high enough so that they guide the keel, but not so high that they reach the flaring of the keel into the hull. Building them as high as you can with encountering the flare will assist in guiding the boat in deeper water.

2) Wood with carpet.

3) I can send you pics of my trailer in about a month. It addresses everything you're writing about.

Now... for an important note for you, or for anyone who ramp launches their Ensign...

One of the worst things that can happen when you ramp launch an Ensign is for the trailer tires to roll off the end of the ramp into a hole, suspending the trailer frame on the ramp with the boat not anywhere close to floating. 

If you do this, you have screwed the pooch on yours and everyone else's day, and you will have made huge friends with anyone else who is waiting to use the ramp. Your boat and trailer will then be stuck until you can find a way to get your trailer tires back on the ramp (crane? cherry-picker? Stacked rocks? Jacks? I-Beam lever arms?). There is likely no backing the trailer into the water any further and you're certainly not going to get the tires back onto the ramp by trying to drive forward... even in 4FD. You'd have a chance of lifting the trailer if the boat was off, but if the boat can not be floated off the trailer, you have created a nightmare.

When motorboats come to the ramp for loading onto their trailers, they invariably use their motors to assist in loading (drive onto the trailer) and there are ALWAYS washout holes where the ramp ends.

KNOW THE RAMP!

Before ramp launching your boat, explore the ramp fully. Know where it ends and know where any holes exist. Also, know how far your boat will need to be backed in before it will float off the trailer. Know how quickly the water deepens. If the trailer has to be backed a long distance before the boat will float, you might need a long length of cable or chain with one end attached to the trailer tongue and the other to your hitch to float the boat. Chock the trailer tires, disconnect the trailer from the hitch, attach the cable or chain, pull forward a bit, remove the chocks and you're ready to continue backing. Floating the boat and keeping your tires away from the water's edge is advisable. When the boat floats off the trailer and you start to retrieve the trailer, you'll have to steer or guide the trailer to keep it on the ramp. Once the trailer tires are on dry ramp, chock the trailer tires, disconnect the chain or cable, and put the trailer back on the hitch.

It's a process.

Bud Brown






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Best regards,

Bud Brown

281.468.6909 cell and text

Bud,


Thanks for the quick reply. It would be great if you could send some pictures when available! My trailer doesn't have a roller, rather a carpeted V support that nest with the underside of the hull at the bow. It is on a similar adjustment system as the four pads on either side. My take away is it is fine to have the keel take some weight and that the pads should be firm and tight but not support all the weight of the boat.


Luckily our ramp is at a sailing club so no motor boats to wash out the bottom. The club also has tongue extensions so you can back the boat farther down the ramp without getting your truck tires wet. Also lots of helping hands to make sure we don't get the tires off the back of the ramp. Only really a problem in the fall when the water level might be low.


Thanks!


John

John,

Send some pics of the V support, if you can... It is good to have a fore and aft reference like a roller so you know the boat is not too far back or not too far forward  either way. The range of fore and aft positioning for ideal tongue weight is small. If no roller, then perhaps two fiberglass snow markers (bicycle flag rods?) mounted to the trailer with a rope tied between them at the proper height.... to just touch the curved bow without bending the poles when the boat is perfectly positioned fore and aft on the trailer.

I mean... the whole goal is to make loading and retrieving easy to do the first time without having to refloat and try again... That's a pain.

I'll send pics when I can, but the rear of my trailer has a 'Y' guide structure where the top of the 'Y' is facing aft. The open part of the 'Y' is carpeted, catches the keel and guides it to the middle of the trailer, above the keel plank. With the fiberglass poles idea, the boat is brought forward just until the bow touches. Once there, the boat gets tied down so she can't slide back or wiggle out of centered position. You know the drill.

Your 'take' on support is spot on. The keel is supposed to carry most of the weight. There is a lot of glass in that keel and it is quite supportive. Biggest consideration on the pads is making sure they do not deflect the hull with too much support. Look at the reflection to detect distortion above each pad. The ones in the rear are most susceptible.

Glad to realize your ramp awareness. Pretty sure it was good beforehand, but no discussion about ramp launching should be without that 'tires-off-the-ramp-frame-resting-on-the-ramp discussion. That scenario can be expensive and just awful for everyone around.



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Best regards,

Bud Brown

281.468.6909 cell and text

Bud,


Attached is a picture of the "V" bunk I was talking about.


Cheers,

John



John

That's one of our trailer designs. 
To answer your question quickly is short. The V bow stop is not to use while hauling. You can use the V to set your spot to lift the boat out but not for hauling As the trailer flexes it will keep moving the boat aft. I use it to stop the boat when floating it on the trailer. Once it's in place, loop a rope from the bow cleat over the V and as you pull the trailer out of the water it will settle on the spot you want on the trailer. Small adjustments can be made by securing straps and tapping the brakes to move it to its travel position. The keel mush rest on the Keel plate. 
These questions are a little more involved than what I mentioned. I would give a call 727-692-8061 some time 
If you are going to be doing this all the time a Tongue extension might be in order. 
Zeke



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