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Zeke Durica
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2/4/2022 11:11 AM
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You can have a 4 to 1 and when you want a 3to1 have shackle that disconnects to make it 3to 1 and I would highly recommend the oxen best block ever for the ensign.
Zeke
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Ward Woodruff
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2/4/2022 9:42 AM
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Details on 2:1 / 3:1 mainsheet system boom end: On the end of the boom install a fiddle block. On the traveler fit a single block with becket.
For 2:1 purchase, run from the upper fiddle block sheave around the traveler sheave and back up to the fiddle block using it's lower sheave as a becket.
For 3:1 purchase, run from the
upper fiddle block sheave around the traveler sheave, back up to the fiddle block lower sheave and down to the becket on the traveler block.
Easy, cheap low friction, minimum line to haul in. Ward Woodruff
413-847-0620 Cell
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Ward Woodruff
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2/4/2022 8:28 AM
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On our boat, we always sailed with a 2:1 mainsheet. We had provision to quickly convert to 3:1 if conditions warranted but never went to 3:1.
No ratchet block. Harken 2156 is available today.
2:1 gave us a very useable mainsheet, had low block friction as there were few turns and when going from running to beating, there was a lot less line to pull in.
We used 5/16” rope. That was OK on the hands with less block friction than with a larger rope.
Ward Woodruff
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Rick Castle
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2/3/2022 8:19 PM
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Question for the group. I am looking to add mid-boom as well. With a 4:1 or 3:1 setup is there any need or advantage to using a ratchet block on the mid-boom or is it not necessary? All of my other boats have had a ratchet block on the mainsheet but none of the Ensign setups I have seen mention it other than those using an Oxen Block.
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Vic Roberts
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5/30/2021 4:08 PM
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Gay, Yes, as long as the screws are not already corroded in place. Vic Roberts
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Gay De Hart
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5/30/2021 2:52 PM
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Our plan is to drill and tap as well. Vic—do you plan to try the Lanacote?
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Vic Roberts
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5/30/2021 2:42 PM
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Bill, You are correct about drilling and tapping. I should have said that when I added the track to the boom of #2032 I drilled and tapped the holes and used machine screws. The thickness of the aluminum used for the boom made this very practical. Vic Roberts
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Gay De Hart
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5/30/2021 2:24 PM
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Thanks! That sounds like a miracle product since sourcing AL screws has proven to be VERY difficult. I have the Lanacote on order, scheduled to come in the day before launch June 8. So excited to try out the new set up.
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William Cheadle
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5/30/2021 11:22 AM
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Gay,
You can use SS screws on your aluminum spar, but use something like Forespar Lanocoat (what I use, but there are others) on the screw to prevent galvanization corrosion caused by the dissimilar metals. Use of SS fasteners is, IMHO, superior to aluminum due to the metal strength.
I would also recommend using machine screws and tapping the hole. A threaded fastener is many times stronger then using a sheet metal screw.
Bill Cheadle #1622 Chien du Soleil
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Vic Roberts
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5/28/2021 8:45 AM
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Gay De Hart
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5/28/2021 8:03 AM
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Hi Vic-- I ordered the track, slider and end track piece from Defender as you suggested. They spec aluminum screws (assuming to avoid the AL to SS corrosion issues). Having trouble finding the AL screws-- Assuming you used the AL screws, do you remember where you go them? or what suitable substitute you fashioned?
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William Cheadle
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5/23/2021 11:28 AM
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10-4...thanks Dennis...
Bill Cheadle #1622 Chien du Soleil
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Dennis Nixon
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5/22/2021 11:48 AM
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Bill, you are correct. It is indeed boom end sheeting with mid-boom control. We just use the shorthand version f9r convenience.
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William Cheadle
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5/22/2021 11:27 AM
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I don't mean to hijack this thread, and I also don't mean to pick nits, but I've read through the posts, and viewed the diagrams, and I see what's referred to as a "mid-boom" sheeting arrangement. But what I see is "end-boom" sheeting with the control block mounted mid-boom. I'm not a rigger, am I missing something? I see a mainsheet that controls the boom from the end. Is this an " Ensign" thing to call is mid-boom? I admit I'm very new to Ensigns and learning everyday as I prepare mine for my first Ensign sail, what am I missing here?
Bill Cheadle #1622 Chien du Soleil
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Gay De Hart
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5/19/2021 9:12 AM
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Thanks Vic. That’s the kind of info I am looking for. Since, I sail solo sometimes and other times with crew, I want to be sure it is accessible and easy to use for both circumstances. I’m pretty short, so want it close to me when at the helm, but that might not be the best spot for others. I understand that one of the advantages of the Oxen block is that it swivels, so I want that advantage but not the disadvantages others talked about in another mid-boom sheeting thread (I realize there are strong feelings on both sides about Oxen Blocks). Hoping this one will do the trick.
https://www.westmarine.com/buy/harken--57mm-carbo-air-single-block-with-cam--1171800 Before I started on this project, I didn’t know a fiddle block from a pulley and didn’t know what the heck a becket was so its all learning for me and don’t want to make an expensive mistake or one that will be unsafe.
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Vic Roberts
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5/19/2021 8:53 AM
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Gay, Let me add some context. My first Ensign, #150, came with a track. A few years before I won #2032 I switched the block on #150 to an Oxen Block, and got to like it, especially for cruising. When #2032 was delivered, it came with a fixed block on the boom that was “perfectly positioned for your trimmer.” I also found the fixed block hard to use. Well, I often didn’t have a trimmer on board, and I wanted to be able to use a different block, either the Oxen Block or something more normal. So, I removed the block on the boom and added a track and car. The main goal was to have an attachment point that allowed me to use different blocks. The track and car made that easier and provided more positional flexibility. Vic Roberts #2032
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Vic Roberts
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5/19/2021 8:41 AM
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Gay, I use an Oxen Block, but you can use any block. Vic Roberts
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Gay De Hart
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5/19/2021 7:42 AM
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Vic, can you tell me what block you used on the track?
Fran, I added a track to 2032. It allows me to adjust the position of the block to accommodate the number of crew I have, from 0 to 3. Vic Roberts
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Fran Trapp
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5/18/2021 10:28 PM
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We are in the process of considering some changes in Babe's rigging. A track for mid-boom sheeting was not in the mix but I will put it out here. I guess my question is whether the track is for crew comfort or main control?
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Vic Roberts
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5/18/2021 9:36 PM
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Fran, I added a track to 2032. It allows me to adjust the position of the block to accommodate the number of crew I have, from 0 to 3. Vic Roberts
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